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about being aware of your environment. if you looks unusual, tell someone about it. >> reporter: best advice, don't let them affect your life. go back and live your life. >> live your life. when you compromise how you live that gives them a victory. as painful as it is to day. you can't let them succeed by us changing the norm and how we live. can't let them win. no victories. >> reporter: david kerley, abc news, washington. >> i think that last point is so important. you can't let them win. you can't say i'm not going to go to that ball game because, what if? that's exactly what they want. >> that's what they want. they want to you watch the coverage incessantly and be too scared to do anything. you have to go out, have you to live your lives. important clues, for as chaotic as that looks, there are important clues of what was left behind at these bombings that police are also looking at. the injured. they want to know if anybody has hand injuries. someone that could be potentially using bomb-making material and they have
about being aware of your environment. if you looks unusual, tell someone about it. >> reporter: best advice, don't let them affect your life. go back and live your life. >> live your life. when you compromise how you live that gives them a victory. as painful as it is to day. you can't let them succeed by us changing the norm and how we live. can't let them win. no victories. >> reporter: david kerley, abc news, washington. >> i think that last point is so important....
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it revealed that these two men assimilated, at least superficially, to their environment, their friends, school, athletics. there was nothing unusual in their behavior. nothing unusual in their language to suggest that there was the slightest degree of un, hatred, any anti american. anything unusual about them. i am afraid this may signal perhaps another kind of terrorist, similar to what they called grassroots terrorists. they are on assuming. they are assimilated. and we have immigrants that take advantage of the freedoms and liberties year. maybe they were not the way in 2009 and 2010. something may have turned them in the meantime. it is important to figure out what it was. >> ok, now that people are doing the job that he did for so long, the people trying to make america safe, how do you tackle this kind of threat when there's no intelligence beforehand? >> ihink tre totally analytic about this kind of incident when there was no intelligence, no information, no signs. no signs about the individuals. there are only two ways this could have been avoided. had there been signs or were
it revealed that these two men assimilated, at least superficially, to their environment, their friends, school, athletics. there was nothing unusual in their behavior. nothing unusual in their language to suggest that there was the slightest degree of un, hatred, any anti american. anything unusual about them. i am afraid this may signal perhaps another kind of terrorist, similar to what they called grassroots terrorists. they are on assuming. they are assimilated. and we have immigrants that...
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been, or where somebody who was known to him might be, they have got to treat it as if it is a hostile environment. that it is potentially boobietrapped. and they have to proceed with great caution. so right now, they have the first location and then the second location, which is very hot. very active. so, again, anywhere he's been, anybody who he may have been with, that they are being treated as a potential threat, a potential danger. all right, deb, thank you very much. please, keep us in the loop and stay at a safe distance. >>> they have reason to believe because when they were in the chase last night, they were throwing explosive devices out of car. the brother, who was killed and allegedly run over by his own brother had ochb an explosive device, which may or may not have detonated, to a certain degree. >> yeah, we're unsure. at some point -- i know you're still there, just bring you pack in here. what's your belief on how quickly they're able to wrap this up. i know that we, sitting here hosting this, that our viewers, everybody is hoping and anticipating that this would happen relatively
been, or where somebody who was known to him might be, they have got to treat it as if it is a hostile environment. that it is potentially boobietrapped. and they have to proceed with great caution. so right now, they have the first location and then the second location, which is very hot. very active. so, again, anywhere he's been, anybody who he may have been with, that they are being treated as a potential threat, a potential danger. all right, deb, thank you very much. please, keep us in...
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there are more eyes on the issue and environment where they make decisions. it offers opportunity we have taken advantage of. conversely, anyone familiar with the history of war and those abuses and use of aircraft bombing, carpet bombing, involving unintended damage or perhaps intended damage is endemic to the history of warfare and sometimes used by enemies and unfortunately is used by the united states. so we are dealing with a set of questions that has persisted for some time. let me focus to you, colonel mcsally because mr. al-muslimi raises a legitimate issue that somehow there is the appearance, the perception of greater damage and possible missed dates associated with this weaponry, this tool. is that a fair criticism? >> i can't speak specifically about operations in this country, but i can see the capability does exist to make sure we minimize civilian casualties in the process i'm familiar with is one where he made a high-level identification once a target is approved and they met the criteria and geographic location with a variety of sources. agai
there are more eyes on the issue and environment where they make decisions. it offers opportunity we have taken advantage of. conversely, anyone familiar with the history of war and those abuses and use of aircraft bombing, carpet bombing, involving unintended damage or perhaps intended damage is endemic to the history of warfare and sometimes used by enemies and unfortunately is used by the united states. so we are dealing with a set of questions that has persisted for some time. let me focus...
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it is challenging in this fiscal environment. administrations 39 budget -- $39 million budget request. consistent with what congress appropriated in 2013 for the department before sequestration cuts were applied. the level of funding in this budget is lower than what congress appropriated in 2009. stepping back and thinking of the challenges that our country and this department has faced since 2009, times square bombing, hurricane sandy, the ever-changing and growing cyber threat, and of the boston attack, it is easy to become concerned with this budget request. we are facing extremely difficult budgetary times. sacrifices must be made. they may not receive all of the funding. and agencies in government must share in the sacrifice to some extent required during this deficit. our secretary seems to have taken this message to heart. he is identified $1.3 billion in savings this year and more than $4 billion since 2009. he continues to move from a risk-based approach and it effort to save more money. i'm happy to see this budget pro
it is challenging in this fiscal environment. administrations 39 budget -- $39 million budget request. consistent with what congress appropriated in 2013 for the department before sequestration cuts were applied. the level of funding in this budget is lower than what congress appropriated in 2009. stepping back and thinking of the challenges that our country and this department has faced since 2009, times square bombing, hurricane sandy, the ever-changing and growing cyber threat, and of the...
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you end up interfering with signals more generally in a civilian environment. inre were two early pilots 2006 and 2007 in the department to look at whether that anti- scanning technology could be used in a civilian way. but i do not know whether there is new research being done in that regard. getting bac to the chance for progress -- i can understand the probms you are talking about. it would go a great way toward minimizing the issue. >> exactly. we do not know whether or not this was remotely detonated. , we encourage state and locals and religious organizations and others to tie into a simple line. 911 orority use either whatever the tip line is for that particular department. your point is well taken. we want it to be as simple and memorable as we can. the third question -- the intel. i think that is an interesting question. because we do not know whether this was domestic or international, particularly where domestic is concerned, there is a particularly valuable role for intelligence that is collected and analyzed at the local level, irrespective of bost
you end up interfering with signals more generally in a civilian environment. inre were two early pilots 2006 and 2007 in the department to look at whether that anti- scanning technology could be used in a civilian way. but i do not know whether there is new research being done in that regard. getting bac to the chance for progress -- i can understand the probms you are talking about. it would go a great way toward minimizing the issue. >> exactly. we do not know whether or not this was...
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for example he's been a little bit good on the environment where i think the latin left has been traditionally quite weak. >> i think he's incomparable. i don't think there's another leader like him or has pen in a long time. his charisma was off the charts. that's not necessarily a bad thing. the left has to learn how to administer. in terms of the 20th century of latin american history maybe juan perone or a few leaders here and there but i think chavez was really one of a kind. >> i'd rather we not have either a fidel or a chavez in the future. i think we're beyond that. what's interesting, for example, about someone like lula who was charismatic and successful and everything he has tended to fade away. he apparently is not running for his third term. a couple years from now. >> he's also ill. his successor is not doing a bad job. little by little what we're getting over in latin america and it's a good thing is this charismatic leaders some of whom are more successful and more attractive than others. one can like. one can dislike. those are personal questions. i think the most important th
for example he's been a little bit good on the environment where i think the latin left has been traditionally quite weak. >> i think he's incomparable. i don't think there's another leader like him or has pen in a long time. his charisma was off the charts. that's not necessarily a bad thing. the left has to learn how to administer. in terms of the 20th century of latin american history maybe juan perone or a few leaders here and there but i think chavez was really one of a kind....
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television and radio and in los angeles and my being chair of the democratic party and protection of the environment, civil rights women's rights, gay rights economic justice, social justice, central america, anti-quandra, you name it. casey kason was there. i marched alongside of him in so many rallies, i can't tell you. he was a wonderful, wonderful guy. he is best known for top 40. once in a while, he moot lose his temper as he did when he was once asked to give a dedication to a little boy who lost -- whose dog had died and then he had to suddenly go from that into some up-beat song, and casey wasn't happy with what his producers had done to him. here he is. >> dear casey, this may seem to be a strange dedication request, but i am quite sincere, and it will mean a lot if you play it. recently, there was a death in our family. he was a little dog named snuggles but he was most certainly -- going to start again. i am coming out of the record. play the record please. >> not happy when you come out of those up-tempo numbers, it's impossible to make those transactions and go into somebody dying. i do
television and radio and in los angeles and my being chair of the democratic party and protection of the environment, civil rights women's rights, gay rights economic justice, social justice, central america, anti-quandra, you name it. casey kason was there. i marched alongside of him in so many rallies, i can't tell you. he was a wonderful, wonderful guy. he is best known for top 40. once in a while, he moot lose his temper as he did when he was once asked to give a dedication to a little boy...
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claims that the war in iraq destroyed iraq's environment even worse than dropping the bomb on hiroshima did he see puts to data that the number of press cancer cases has grown in the country from fifteen to thirty times cases of congenital heart disease have become fifteen times more frequent case of leukaemia have increased thirty fold the doctor puts the blame on the weapons used in the one thousand nine hundred one and two thousand and three invasion of iraq it which nato forces used white phosphorus depleted uranium rounds and other toxic gases and poisonous substances human rights watch and the world health organization have measured radiation levels in iraq and consider many places in iraq even some very far from the fighting to be contaminated naturally radiation is not racist and foreign soldiers in iraq are not immune usa today even published research results that found that depleted uranium was indeed in the lungs and other organs of navy vets who filed for health compensation claims yet you know saddam hussein seemed like a pretty bad guy but there are always ways to get arou
claims that the war in iraq destroyed iraq's environment even worse than dropping the bomb on hiroshima did he see puts to data that the number of press cancer cases has grown in the country from fifteen to thirty times cases of congenital heart disease have become fifteen times more frequent case of leukaemia have increased thirty fold the doctor puts the blame on the weapons used in the one thousand nine hundred one and two thousand and three invasion of iraq it which nato forces used white...
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what our expertise is in your regular story or environment in the u.s. right let's talk a little bit more about this is the somalia it doesn't pose any if there is anything in the will impose any risks and how can the the actual town prepare themselves in dealing with that those risks you mean how a person can deal with that risk yes you mentioned that there are side effects how can how how do you think the actual town will have to deal with those effects well what has happened has happened and you will have to deal with the immediate effects because that is what are more new and so immediate effects so it burns and it may destroy tissue the moment it is released in the air it is lighter than air so it will go up in the atmosphere so it will not stay around if it gets into the water by the rain or by the firefighter water to spread if it gets to into the water and gets diluted it will be used for plants you know this is an interest in fertilizer so it just broken up very quickly. we'll leave it right there thank you very much there that is dr riverside b
what our expertise is in your regular story or environment in the u.s. right let's talk a little bit more about this is the somalia it doesn't pose any if there is anything in the will impose any risks and how can the the actual town prepare themselves in dealing with that those risks you mean how a person can deal with that risk yes you mentioned that there are side effects how can how how do you think the actual town will have to deal with those effects well what has happened has happened and...
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destroyed iraq's environment even worse than dropping the bomb on hiroshima did dr e.c. puts to data that the number of breast cancer cases has grown in the country from fifteen to thirty times cases of congenital heart disease have become fifteen times more frequent a case of leukemia have increased thirty fold the doctor puts the blame on the weapons used in the one thousand nine hundred one and two thousand and three invasions of iraq it which nato forces used white phosphorus depleted uranium rounds and other toxic gases and poisonous substances human rights watch and the world health organization have measured radiation levels in iraq and can see.
destroyed iraq's environment even worse than dropping the bomb on hiroshima did dr e.c. puts to data that the number of breast cancer cases has grown in the country from fifteen to thirty times cases of congenital heart disease have become fifteen times more frequent a case of leukemia have increased thirty fold the doctor puts the blame on the weapons used in the one thousand nine hundred one and two thousand and three invasions of iraq it which nato forces used white phosphorus depleted...
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have labeled him a prisoner of conscience but unless the international community wakes up to abuses environ there's little that may be over john's going to be tasting freedom anytime soon. london's ecuadorian embassy. in iraq at least three people have been killed and more than twenty wounded when a suicide bomber blew himself up inside a restaurant in the city of fallujah near the country's capital that's according to police now saturday's provincial elections were marred by violence with bombs and mortar shells exploding near police stations in polling stations injuring dozens there iraqis have cast their ballots in the country's first vote since u.s. combat troops withdrew at the end of two thousand and eleven the election also took place against a backdrop of anti-government protests raging in sunni dominated provinces where voting was postponed allegedly due to security concerns the new local authorities will have to cope with a country deeply divided along religious and ethnic ethnic lines and in the grip of fierce competition for its rich oil reserves are more. they call them those w
have labeled him a prisoner of conscience but unless the international community wakes up to abuses environ there's little that may be over john's going to be tasting freedom anytime soon. london's ecuadorian embassy. in iraq at least three people have been killed and more than twenty wounded when a suicide bomber blew himself up inside a restaurant in the city of fallujah near the country's capital that's according to police now saturday's provincial elections were marred by violence with...
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and protect the health and environment i'm in panic because the mining will destroy our clean air and clean water part of the problem is the process used to extract and purify gold and other metals which critics say will leave contamination by cyanide and other chemicals this method. results in getting the metals from the office of the metals the majority of them and live in there with a lot of the residual us as we travel up into the hills where forest has already been cleared the mining company security trails us then persuades a lot of police up to stop us out you know that their security and locals are arguing that this is a checkpoint that they don't want us to film we want to pass honest public roads but i don't this show or somebody tension between the locals and whining but yeah but the good. intentions indeed locals have destroyed some of the company's heavy machinery and ransacked the police station police have raided homes in the middle of the night to arrest suspects and fired tear gas at protesters but there is as much support for eldorado here is criticism both from the
and protect the health and environment i'm in panic because the mining will destroy our clean air and clean water part of the problem is the process used to extract and purify gold and other metals which critics say will leave contamination by cyanide and other chemicals this method. results in getting the metals from the office of the metals the majority of them and live in there with a lot of the residual us as we travel up into the hills where forest has already been cleared the mining...
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we see this extraordinary security environment here in boston and the suburbs. understandable why in water where they believe that he may be holed up. that explains the situation around there. they think they know where he is, but not positive. there is a concern for the last couple of hours that he and his brother may have had accomplices and those accomplices may be at large and could be dangerous. this morning authorities found and disarmed another bomb in the boston area. i say another bomb. i mean a bomb today in the boston area. there is a concern about whether there could be other devices. you put all of those factorsing to and that's the explanation for the unprecedentedly strict security in boston and the suburbs right now. >> when you talk about the motivation and their state of mind and why they did what they did including the attempted robbery of that 7-11, you have got more information on the carjacking that occurred. they took a man at gunpoint for about a half hour. >> right. after the robbery of the 7-11 and after shooting the campus policemen. t
we see this extraordinary security environment here in boston and the suburbs. understandable why in water where they believe that he may be holed up. that explains the situation around there. they think they know where he is, but not positive. there is a concern for the last couple of hours that he and his brother may have had accomplices and those accomplices may be at large and could be dangerous. this morning authorities found and disarmed another bomb in the boston area. i say another...
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and high speed race for right the government unleashes its force on pro-reform demonstrate his environment just ahead of the morning only one gram for a while activists try to make their voices heard against all the old. hello welcome good to have you company watching r.t. coming to you live from moscow now venezuela's electoral body has announced an audit of the remaining votes demanded by the opposition leader only kick a pretty less this just hours before the swearing in of the country's president elect nicolas maduro the narrow victory over could be divided the country sparking large scale demonstrations well let's not get the latest from artie's tessa cilla he's in caracas this audit what exactly does it mean. you know well we see right after unseen election about sixty four percent of the machines have been audited so now the local council is offering is the maintaining forty six percent of voting machines that have not been audited will be audited to work for let's make a difference between an actual vote by vote count or manual voting this would also demand that the opposition have
and high speed race for right the government unleashes its force on pro-reform demonstrate his environment just ahead of the morning only one gram for a while activists try to make their voices heard against all the old. hello welcome good to have you company watching r.t. coming to you live from moscow now venezuela's electoral body has announced an audit of the remaining votes demanded by the opposition leader only kick a pretty less this just hours before the swearing in of the country's...
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the not so indians they have long opposed the mighty liberations and its devastating effects on the environment when the nasi saw the first gold seekers start to arrive they began by asking these new intruders to leave they finally lost patience. one morning the indians besieged the miners camp yet. you call that generating work if you see all this damage you can create employment by destroying the environment like this all this cyanide you think it's good for the earth so when. the protectors of mother earth on one side the gold seekers on the other a clash is inevitable. and set fire to it but it all. bring in more machines just saying. in order to disperse the indians the excavator guards pull out their guns. luckily no one is injured. but by talking a mining operation for the first time the naso indians are sending a clear message their sacred mountains are worth much more than all the gold in colombia. organic. download the official publication to yourself choose your language stream quality and enjoy your favorites. if you're away from your television just doesn't do so now with your mobi
the not so indians they have long opposed the mighty liberations and its devastating effects on the environment when the nasi saw the first gold seekers start to arrive they began by asking these new intruders to leave they finally lost patience. one morning the indians besieged the miners camp yet. you call that generating work if you see all this damage you can create employment by destroying the environment like this all this cyanide you think it's good for the earth so when. the protectors...
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it's hard to make a sell when you're in that environment so maybe is there still a chance. >> we will get to airports, i promise you. mike barnicle has a quick question. >> senator, what impact, if any, do you think it would have on the revival of this bill in the senate when and if it is revealed that the two people involved in putting together the marathon day bombings in boston obtained their weapons through the internet or through a gun show? because both of them, neither of them were licensed in cambridge, massachusetts. >> so, in other words, if they were able to purchase them through a legal mechanism where a background check wasn't required? look. i think it would certainly help to underscore the importance of doing this. i think the most important thing, frankly, is members of congress need to hear from people and the people who support these background checks need to be as vocal as those who don't. >> pat, you make an absolute great point because i've had people ask me what happened there? and i said, well, you had senators who received ten calls against the 90% for every on
it's hard to make a sell when you're in that environment so maybe is there still a chance. >> we will get to airports, i promise you. mike barnicle has a quick question. >> senator, what impact, if any, do you think it would have on the revival of this bill in the senate when and if it is revealed that the two people involved in putting together the marathon day bombings in boston obtained their weapons through the internet or through a gun show? because both of them, neither of...
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and millions... are polluting our environment. [ sniffing ] [ seagulls squawking ] is it wrong to buy to match your mani-pedi? shop like a fashionista. not if you find something amazing for less than the price of it. save like a maxxinista. designer brands at t.j. prices. t.j.maxx. [ male announcer ] a car that can actually see like a human, using stereoscopic cameras. ♪ and even stop itself if it has to. ♪ the technology may be hard to imagine. but why you would want it... is not. the 2014 e-class. it doesn't just see the future. it is the future. made the way you say at subwa. with our oven roasted chicken, now a $3 six-inch select. make it your own with melty monterey cheddar or creamy ranch. and during april, the black forest ham is also a $3 six-inch select. subway. eat fresh. >>> 7:23. if you're just joining us this morning, we are following the breaking news in the boston marathon bombing case. these are live pictures from watertown massachusetts. everyone in the boston area, they're being told stay home. stay indoors, don't go to school. don't go to workment don't open bus
and millions... are polluting our environment. [ sniffing ] [ seagulls squawking ] is it wrong to buy to match your mani-pedi? shop like a fashionista. not if you find something amazing for less than the price of it. save like a maxxinista. designer brands at t.j. prices. t.j.maxx. [ male announcer ] a car that can actually see like a human, using stereoscopic cameras. ♪ and even stop itself if it has to. ♪ the technology may be hard to imagine. but why you would want it... is not. the 2014...
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and millions... are polluting our environment. [ sniffing ] [ seagulls squawking ] >>> row, row, row your boat. a live look there at crew. wow, they are really going this morning. yeah, it's going to be a warm day. find some water if you can. >> five snow boarders have died in what officials are calling colorado's deadliest avalanche in five decades. it happened yesterday afternoon near loveland pass about 50 miles west of denver. authorities say six snowboarders were on the almost 12,000 foot high pass when all of a sudden the snow gave way. >> they triggered a slide. at least one of them was able to bail off to the side and partially buried, but he was able to get himself out and call for help. >> authorities say the avalanche was about 600 feet wide and 8 feet deep. right now, authorities say the avalanche danger in colorado is at a 30 year high due to a lack of snow. >>> some people in the town of west, texas, are being allowed back into their homes for the first time since that deadly fertilizer explosion. a curfew is still in effect and there is limited water and electricity. a
and millions... are polluting our environment. [ sniffing ] [ seagulls squawking ] >>> row, row, row your boat. a live look there at crew. wow, they are really going this morning. yeah, it's going to be a warm day. find some water if you can. >> five snow boarders have died in what officials are calling colorado's deadliest avalanche in five decades. it happened yesterday afternoon near loveland pass about 50 miles west of denver. authorities say six snowboarders were on the...
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. >> the political environment is a lot different than in 2007 the last time congress took up an effort to overhaul the nation's immigration laws. right now we have evangelical leaders who have signed on and said, look, there's a religious imperative to embrace the stranger and to reach out and help people who are in our community. on the republican side, you have what they call a coalition of bibles, badges and business. you have faith leaders. you also have law enforcement leaders, attorney general from the states. and other sheriffs. and business leaders who are saying, look, our system is broken. its time to fix the system. on the republican side they're getting pressure from some of these core constituents to come up with a solution. >> ifill: is it fair to say after seeing his kind of tour de force on the sunday talk shows yesterday that senator marco rubio, the florida republican, is the face of this? or are there other... is there other agitation going on especially over in the house? >> marco rubio is seen as essential to presenting this bill to conservative members of the repu
. >> the political environment is a lot different than in 2007 the last time congress took up an effort to overhaul the nation's immigration laws. right now we have evangelical leaders who have signed on and said, look, there's a religious imperative to embrace the stranger and to reach out and help people who are in our community. on the republican side, you have what they call a coalition of bibles, badges and business. you have faith leaders. you also have law enforcement leaders,...
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family visited so he didn't have that chore, dare may i say, of having to go and -- to go into a morbid environment. he had enough to think about. so yes, she wrote letters. she didn't have many friends, unfortunately. but she did have this wonderful family who kept her going and there always seemed to be somebody there. as far as reading, i don't think she did very much which was a shame because she was a very intellectual woman, highly educated. that intellect and that wonderful education seemed wasted in some ways. >> next question comes from bonnie who is watching us in cincinnati. hi, bonnie, you're on the air. >> hi. thank you for taking my call. this is a most intriguing subject. i do collect albums from the 1840's and 1850's of the central united states. and i do own a journal that was written by a family member of william henry harrison. the harrison family coming from cincinnati. after his death, frequently the letters that do i have, i'm not a member of that family, however i do have several of the letters and albums hand written, journals, and frequently similar to mrs. pierce, in the o
family visited so he didn't have that chore, dare may i say, of having to go and -- to go into a morbid environment. he had enough to think about. so yes, she wrote letters. she didn't have many friends, unfortunately. but she did have this wonderful family who kept her going and there always seemed to be somebody there. as far as reading, i don't think she did very much which was a shame because she was a very intellectual woman, highly educated. that intellect and that wonderful education...
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remember, 4.5 billion is what we spend for a day to operate in that environment. saving two when you are -- will not go on the street with the exception of package delivery, which will be done with dynamic routing, with a lower cost employee, whether in the rural or city craft, allows us to provide that kind of service as a lower cost. the mail costs, the transportation costs, network changes, that's all money that can come out of the system. we've also calculated in what we think is the revenue loss and we've talked to a lot of customers to validate that. so the 2 billion is doable. people say well, it's only two out of 20 billion. it is not. if we had it this year we would break even from an operational standpoint. this year we'll lose ago 1.7 billion in the operating line. that's revenue minus costs with the exception of workers' comp costs and prefunding. we would make money if we had made the six to five move at the beginning of this year. that gap exists when you do nothing over a five, six, four or five-year period and with inflation that continues to grow.
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